Γραικύλος schrieb am 13.12.2021 um 17:44 Uhr (Zitieren)
Für die Antike wird gerne ein zyklisches Weltbild angenommen: Entstehung - Blüte - Verfall. Ich erinnere an Karl Löwith.
Dem wird entgegengehalten die Idee der Roma Aeterna.
Das bringt mich zu der Frage, ob und unter welchen Bedingungen antike Menschen sich selbst den Untergang Roms vorstellen konnten.
2. Diodorus Siculus über Scipio Aemilianus
At the fall of Carthage the general (5), forgetting his proud courage, or rather his proud talk, abandoned the deserters and approached Scipio in the guise of a suppliant. Clasping Scipio by the knees and sobbing as he urged every possible plea, he moved him to compassion. Scipio exhorted him to take heart, and addressing the friends who sat with him in council, said: “This is the man who a while back was not willing to accept any offer of safety on highly favourable terms. Such is the inconstancy of Fortune and her power; unpredictably she brings about the collapse of all human pretensions.”
When Carthage had been put to the torch and the flames were doing their awful work of devastation throughout the whole city, Scipio wept unabashedly. Asked by Polybius (4), his mentor, why he was thus affected, he said: “Because I am reflecting on the fickleness of Fortune. Some day, perhaps, the time will come, when a similar fate shall overtake Rome.” And he cited these lines from the poet, Homer:
The day will come when sacred Ilium shall perish,
with Priam and his people.
(XXXII 23 f.)[/quote]
(1) 149 bis 146 (Dritter Punischer Krieg zwischen Rom und Karthago)
(2) der Nachfolger Alexanders des Großen
(3) Scipio zitiert aus Homers „Ilias“ (VI 448 f.).
(4) griechischer Historiker (ca. 200-120 v.u.Z.), als Geisel nach Rom gekommen
(5) Hasdrubal, der karthagische Feldherr
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Γραικύλος schrieb am 13.12.2021 um 17:45 Uhr (Zitieren)